Tuesday, February 27, 2007

Walter Reed Medical Center

I have read the information, I have seen the pictures, and I listened to most sides of the story about the care of soldiers at Outpatient Building #18 of the Walter Reed Medical Center and have come to some conclusions. Some press reports and the usual liberal blathering class have said that veterans organizations have been silent on this issue. That is not the case, the organizations I know of are gathering all the facts before they make any formal statement as they should, and that is the proper way to handle a situation like this. That is how I have decided to handle it. I waited to read all the reliable information I could gather and now I’m giving you my opinion on the matter.

First and foremost, I believe our soldiers and their families deserve the best treatment available and to be shown the utmost respect while doing do. Without exception our soldiers are being treated very well in the main hospital at Walter Reed MC where surgeries and therapies go on for the most severely wounded. I don’t think anyone with any knowledge about all of this could possibly argue with that. There is no excuse however for the treatment of the soldiers and their families at this outpatient building. These people should not have to negotiate the bureaucratic red tape, deal with dirty rooms, with roaches, mice and mold on the walls after serving their country and essentially putting their lives on the line for freedom. The Officers in charge of this operation need to be disciplined, the facility if it is going to continue to be used to care for soldiers, needs to be cleaned and staffed with professionals that care about the health and well being of our soldiers.

Cleaning up the facility though is going to be much easier to do than cleaning up the mess that bureaucrats make with all the rules and regulations they come up with to maintain their own positions. The process for gaining treatment in the repaired, cleaned and well staffed facilities has to be streamlined though. What is it that makes things so difficult? You go to the facility because your doctor has chosen for you to go there, you show your military ID, you fill out a couple of papers that say who your doctor is and other personal information so they know that you are who you say you are and there you have it, treatment starts as soon as it is scheduled. If the military said your family can be there then you take responsibility to prove they are your family and there you have that too, the family is there and taken care of. That’s the way it should work.

I am a strong believer that out of touch bureaucrats make things much more difficult in the medical care field. I have heard much talk about a government take over of the civilian health care system and this story only brings to light why that is a really bad idea. There is nothing trivial about this horrible situation for our troops but it is of a limited nature and is only one of a hundreds of facilities that are used for medical treatment for our military. Imagine the scope of the medical malpractice and mismanagement that would occur if the government would use these same types of bureaucratic minded people to run the huge civilian healthcare system.

I fully believe Defense Secretary Robert Gates will get a firm grip on this situation at the Walter Reed Medical Center because he appears to be the type you can trust to get the job done in no nonsense way. I like this man a whole lot after what I’ve seen and complained about in the past as far as Secretary of Defense goes.

This next part is the pointing out of the usual stories of malfeasance by a press that is all too glad to report anything negative about the “War on Terror” and in particular the military and the Bush administration. Don’t get me wrong though, this story needed to aired and brought to light but the tactics that are used by the press and others at the Walter Reed Army Hospital Center goes far beyond just uncovering of mistreatment of the troops by Army medical staff and dirty facilities. Everyday wounded soldiers and their families must run the gauntlet of a hounding press to give up some kind of incriminating evidence amid the signs of “Mama’s don’t let your boys grow up to be Killers” and the shouts of war protestors organized by the group “Code Pink”. I constantly have to remind myself when reading these stories about war protestors that I am a Christian and I must not let my hate for these people take control of me because revenge will neither be pretty or beneficial. When it comes to war protestors I am a boiling cauldron and I must keep the lid on it.

These links below are from Military.com, a place where I find the most unbiased and most accurate information about what is going with the military because it is us, the vets and the active duty personnel that put the information there. The first link is an interview with a volunteer from Walter Reed Hospital and she give a clear picture of what she sees going on there. It is about 15 minutes long so make time to listen to what this volunteer has to say, it is quite interesting and enlightening. The second link is a briefing by Defense Secretary Robert Gates (3-4 minutes.) The third link is the website of Walter Reed Medical Center. Click on the button that says soldiers first and see what soldiers must do when entering the facility. I remember the military quite well.

Interview with Volunteer

Gates News Briefing

Walter Reed Medical Center Website


mariestwocents said...

Great Post Jenn,

Good for you for bringing light to this story. Our Military deserve the best of everything, especially when they are getting medical care for wounds they have encountered defending our Freedoms.

Maybe with people like you that shed light on these situations, it will get fixed.

And maybe next they will do away with the Westboro Baptist Lunatic's that constantly hang out there and call our Troops every name in the book.

One can only hope!

LJG aka Pennsylvania Independent said...

It is a shame, because I heard simular stories about Walter Reed being in such horrible condition.
Our Veterans deserve the best and the bureaucrats are the problem.
Unfortunely, the United States has a huge track record of treating Veterans like crap.
It is angering and saddening, but not that shocking because it is the bureaucracy. The government is out of control and is getting more and more out of control. The government is just way too large.
I hope that a congressman or woman will bring awareness to this, but I would seriously doubt because of our elected officials are self-serving. You wliterally have to bribe them to get the things that are needed done.
Also in response to your Rudy is running post, I also seen that in the news.
I am about half-tempted to change my registration back to Republican just so I can vote for him in the primaries. (I was regsitered Democrat then switched to Republican, until I became an Indepedent with Libertarian tendencies.)
Rudy is a little arrogant and hardnosed, but he would make a great President because of those qualities. He is also socially liberal and I am glad he sticks to his guns and doesn't mold to the others in his party and he shouldn't have to.

The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

Thank you for posting your thoughts on this. I felt, as well, that the Washington Post expose was journalism doing what they should be doing, in bringing attention to what needs attending. What I feared, though, is as you say, the anti-war opportunists using this story as a means to bash the war and bash the Administration.

It's the same thing with ABC's Woodruff special and the 60 Minutes piece last weekend. I think both are good and important stories. But they will also be used as political fodder for those on the left, as well as an MSM that is largely anti-war in general.

I think your average joe citizen doesn't have the stomach for war (which is why he probably isn't enlisted); and as much as people really should know the graphic and horrific damage that warfare does to lives, since most people are sheep, all it does is demoralize and take "the fight" out of people in supporting any war. That is dangerous, when some wars need to be fought.

J_G said...

What truly amazes me is that those that do not pay that much attention to all of this and only get their news from some so called mainstream outlet they believe that all of our soldiers are being mistreated on purpose by the Bush administration to save money just as the news media reports it. I really cannot stand being around liberals for more than few minutes. Long enough for them to serve me my cappuchino anyway.

Mrs. Green said...

From The Navy Times:


Walter Reed patients told to keep quiet

By Kelly Kennedy - Staff writer
Posted : Tuesday Feb 27, 2007 22:09:20 EST

Soldiers at Walter Reed Army Medical Center’s Medical Hold Unit say they have been told they will wake up at 6 a.m. every morning and have their rooms ready for inspection at 7 a.m., and that they must not speak to the media.

“Some soldiers believe this is a form of punishment for the trouble soldiers caused by talking to the media,” one Medical Hold Unit soldier said, speaking on the condition of anonymity.

It is unusual for soldiers to have daily inspections after Basic Training.

Soldiers say their sergeant major gathered troops at 6 p.m. Monday to tell them they must follow their chain of command when asking for help with their medical evaluation paperwork, or when they spot mold, mice or other problems in their quarters.

They were also told they would be moving out of Building 18 to Building 14 within the next couple of weeks. Building 14 is a barracks that houses the administrative offices for the Medical Hold Unit and was renovated in 2006. It’s also located on the Walter Reed Campus, where reporters must be escorted by public affairs personnel. Building 18 is located just off campus and is easy to access.

The soldiers said they were also told their first sergeant has been relieved of duty, and that all of their platoon sergeants have been moved to other positions at Walter Reed. And 120 permanent-duty soldiers are expected to arrive by mid-March to take control of the Medical Hold Unit, the soldiers said.

As of Tuesday afternoon, Army public affairs did not respond to a request sent Sunday evening to verify the personnel changes.

The Pentagon also clamped down on media coverage of any and all Defense Department medical facilities, to include suspending planned projects by CNN and the Discovery Channel, saying in an e-mail to spokespeople: “It will be in most cases not appropriate to engage the media while this review takes place,” referring to an investigation of the problems at Walter Reed.

J_G said...

I sincerely hope that the Army takes control of this situation as it appears they are doing. Cleaning house of both the facilities and negligent personnel is called for. The restoration of military discipline is also called for.

The press for all that it's worth will move onto another story about something else to bash the administration with and could care less about the troops themselves even though some of the reporting may have helped improve conditions at building #18 at Walter Reed Army Medical Center.

If the Army gets a black eye from this so be it, they deserve it for letting things get to where they were. My questions about all of this are; didn't the Officers in charge understand that the press and every other anti war organization are trolling for stories like this looking to embarrass the military and the administration. Didn't the Officers in charge have enough respect for wounded soldiers to make sure they had adequate care?

Wordsmith was saying something about military intelligence over at his blog the other day? Is there really such a thing? Anyone that has served knows what I mean by that rhetorical question.

Mrs. Green said...

My questions about all of this are; didn't the Officers in charge understand that the press and every other anti war organization are trolling for stories like this looking to embarrass the military and the administration.--JG

I know you can't possibly see it this way, but not all investigative reporters are out to get the military and the administration. Perhaps the reporters who uncovered this were concerned with the wounded who were suffering these indignities.

Not giving humane care to our wounded soldiers who put their lives on the line for this counry is something all citizens should concerned about.

And I repeat: If this had happened during a Democrat's administration, you'd be calling for their heads on pikes. Count on it. You'd be more than happy to "embarrass" the military and the administration if the president had a "D" for his party designation.

J_G said...

If a democrat was in office I'd be calling for the heads of the officers in charge that let this happen under his watch.

Probably the scariest thought I could imagine would have been right after 9/11 would have gone like this; Ladies and Gentlemen America has just been attacked and now here is the president, algore. Oh, that was just a nightmare, phew!!!

Anyway there is no one that will believe for one iota of a second that reporters from the Washington Post had the soldiers welfare as the prime reason for doing that expose. C'mon Mrs, Green no one believes that, no one.

Marie's Two Cents said...

Mrs Green,

It appears she wrote this under a Republican administration no?

Mrs. Green said...

Marie's Two Cents said...
Mrs Green,

It appears she wrote this under a Republican administration no?

I guess I'm not getting your question. Who is she? And to what are your referring.

It's been one of those days for me when I didn't even understand what the grocery clerk meant when she asked me "paper or plastic."

I have a relative who lives in Birmingham, Alabama, and I've been worried all day.

mariestwocents said...

Mrs Green,

I meant Jenn wrote this story under a Republican administration, and pretty much called for anybody's head on a platter that had anything to do with this.

It isnt a Rep or Dem issue, it's the care and treatment of our wounded Soldier's.

I'm sorry about your relative in Alabama, I go through that same thing every single year being dead smack in the middle of Tornado ally I know what you are talking about.


You will be happy to know that the head Honcho of Walter Reed is History!

J_G said...

This word verification is a supreme pain in the butt. I have submitted this comment three times so far then it ate the comment on the fourth try. I may have to try something else because on average I have to submit comments at least twice before it takes. Not just on my blog either. Blogger word verification is very frustrating.

Anyway, I hope your relatives are OK Mrs. Green. I watched some news coverage last night and this morning. Tornados sure don't give you much time to react. We've had about 2 inches of rain in the last 24 hours. We have plenty of flooding going on in the low lying areas around the Brandywine creeks.

I heard they relieved the general in command of Walter Reed on my home this morning Marie. I think they need to bring negligence charges up. I don't know if that will happen though they usually make the corrections and quietly retire generals that make blunders like this instead of making headlines about it. It doesn't matter what administration it is this is how the military handles things.

SusieQ said...

Jenni, I thought the comment I wrote and left here last night had posted, but this morning I see that it didn't. I just wanted to let you know that I think your post is very good.

Also, I wanted to point out what is happening to the Brits right now with their health care system. They are having budget problems. So, they have taken to delaying needed surgeries and treatments for sometimes weeks due to the lack of funds. They have the medical resources, but not the money apparently. Let's make sure we do not allow a Hillary designed national health care system to move forward in this country. I believe there are other ways we can fix the problem of rising health care costs and the availability of insurance.

mariestwocents said...

I dont think they are going quietly this time Jenn, something else I found

Bush orders review of Veterans Hospitals

As for your comment's, I have noticed the same crap. It at least takes 2 times to get the comment to post, on anyones blog I visit, so I copy and paste my post and keep trying. I am thinking about taking word verification off altogether but I hate getting hit with all that spam. Oh heavens I hate this.

J_G said...

Thanks Susie, I was reading about the delays on surgeries and putting the elderly at the back of the list a few months ago over in JOE (Jolly ol' England). I also saw the program on TLC but I've been pretty busy and keeping up on all the subjects we talk about here is pretty tough. Mrs. Green keeps me on my toes too. I try not to post until I have all the information but sometimes I miss something but that's the way it goes.

Everyone I talk to is having problems with the blogger comments. Poor Marie, they made her go to new blogger and I've been trying to help her iron things out over there.

I just started having the comment box problem. I think the best thing to do to make sure your comment is posted is: close the comment box after commenting and then refresh the blog page and then open the comment page again and see if your comment has been posted. Blogger has been pretty quick with fixes so it'll probably be for a short time.

J_G said...

I heard about this on my way out to Lancaster this morning Marie. I'm no fan of these bi-partisan commisions. I think putting someone you trust to fix the problem in charge is a better way of doing things. Just fix it never mind all the fricken hoopla, gosh there is so much finger pointing going on in Washington DC right now everyone has to wear saftey goggles so they don't get poked in the eye. Just fix it, point fingers later.

The only people that really know what is going on down there are up on the frontlines shooting it out in Baghdad with the enemy and dodging Iranian made explosives and they say "let us finish the job you sent over here to do!" Bureuacrats get my knickers in a knot!

J_G said...

Hey, mate good place for ya, we would of kicked you out of here anyway so you might as well be down under. I admire you though at least you left, we're still waiting for Barbara Streisand and Alec Baldwin to go we don't miss you and we won't miss them.

If you like a government bureaucrat controlling your medical care that's on you, we'll ave none of it ere mate. The government run systems are falling under their own bloated bureacratic weight. You can't justify what you're saying and you know it mate.

If your so interested in what's going on outside of the Walter Reed hospital you should have listened to the links I have provided. I don't normally do other people's homework for them but I'll provide you with a link. Make sure you turn it right side up to view it. Code Pink Scoundrels er ya go mate have a g'day.

Mrs. Green said...

If you like a government bureaucrat controlling your medical care that's on you, we'll ave none of it ere mate. The government run systems are falling under their own bloated bureacratic weight. You can't justify what you're saying and you know it mate.

Hang on there, Jenn. The recently fired Army Secretary, Francis Harvey, was a bona fide corporatist. In other words, BushCo. installed a man who would oversee Walter Reed like a corporation. And. He. Failed.

The Australian system works. That rubs against your prejudices so you trash the poster. Okay. It's your blog and you're allowed to say anything you wish.

But think about this: Politicians are part of the Federal Employee Health Benefit Program. They have a choice of between 5 and 10 health plans in each city. Some are HMOs, some are regular insurance with preferred provider programs. They select a plan they like, the federal government (WE THE TAXPAYERS) pays a large portion of the premium, and they pay the rest. For more expensive plans with a lot of choices of doctors and hospitals and more services, Senators and Congressmen pay more. For the basic plan they pay a little premium.

Members of Congress may obtain health insurance through the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program, which provides Members of Congress with guaranteed and affordable private health insurance, choice of health plans and choice of doctor, and no exclusions for preexisting medical conditions; and

Members of Congress currently receive on average a 72 percent contribution of their health insurance premiums from their employer, the taxpayers.

Is there a reason why that plan isn't offered to all Americans?

It's socialized medicine for the politicians and the heck with the rest of America?


So you see, the poster from Australia is telling you about an equitable plan, and you trash him/her, while supporting members of Congress who receive socialized healthcare, while the poor and uninsured in this country are forced to go to ERs for heathcare, and again, we the taxpayers, foot that bill, too.

We are nuts. But you'd rather be rude to someone who points out a better, more equitable solution than address this hypocritical healthcare situation in this country.

You're way smarter than that.

J_G said...

Mrs. Green, first of all, that poster was nothing but a phony and he/she insulted my country and I'm darn glad that person left here and they aren't welcome back. Considering the tone of their post and the insults they promulgated on my blog I think I was quite congenial.

I emigrated here in 2005 to escape the Bush Crime Family's fascism. What a putz:(n) a stupid, ignorant person; someone who doesn't pay attention to anything going on; one who makes stupid remarks

Second, a government run healthcare plan would run nothing like you suggest. The members of congress and federal employees are an elite group among us and due to the fact that only a handful of people make it their business to care or pay attention to what these people are doing the congress and federal emoloyees have lavishly lined their own nests with programs fit for kings and the low wage earners go without. (I say low wage earners because if you refuse to work the governmnet gives you healthcare called medicaid). I notice that the federal employees are one of the few groups allowed by law to exempted from social security.

What makes you think things would be any better if they handed control of private healthcare over to these very same people. It wouldn't, you would have to wait in long lines fill out mountains of paperwork dispute resolution would be a one sided affair and eventually it would collapse under it's own weight like all the rest of the government run entitlement programs.

Judging from the scant information you seem to give about yourself Mrs. Green, I have the idea that you are younger than me. Do you think for one serious moment that social security will be there for you to collect when you become eligible?

Hopefully you will be able to live long enough to collect but given that you want government run healthcare and government run retirement whose funds are dwindling and the ratio of workers putting into the system and the ones taking out are increasing in ever larger numbers, doesn't it make you a bit nervous having the government and their employees control all of that? It makes me quite nervous, I grew up watching movies like Soylent Green

You may not have to be concerned but think of all the poor people that they will purposefully deny healthcare because they have become a burden due to ever shrinking budgets. I return to the example of current Jolly ol' England. This is happening as we speak. THe elderly are being denied esential care in favor of younger patients that will be able to recover and start contributing back into the bloated, ineffcient system.

As far as firing the secretary of the Army, the Walter Reed scandal happened on his watch so they fired him. That's what is supposed to happen what's your beef? The guy wasn't doing his job and when it was brought to light, he's history, good job of taking care of business, no hearing, no defense, all done, buh bye, don't let the door hit you in the arse on the way out, seeya. Now put someone in charge that will take of business like he did with Robert Gates.

J_G said...

Ok, ok I'm feeling really charitable today and I think Mrs. Green just needs to be shown the errors of her thinking. She really is a nice person so I've done her homework for her. I know she is going to ask me to do it so I did.
Elder health care Discrimination in Britain

Mike's America said...

Just in case Bukko missed it, I'll respond to: " I think you're making it up, the way Rush Limbaugh does. Please cite a source, if you've got one."

The Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, D.C., the current home of hundreds of wounded veterans from the war in Iraq, has been the target of weekly anti-war demonstrations since March. The protesters hold signs that read 'Maimed
for Lies' and 'Enlist here and die for Halliburton.'

The anti-war demonstrators, who obtain their protest permits from the Washington, D.C., police department, position themselves directly in front of the main entrance to the Army Medical Center, which is located in northwest D.C., about five miles from the White House.

Among the props used by the protesters are mock caskets, lined up on the sidewalk to represent the death toll in Iraq.

Code Pink Women for Peace, one of the groups backing anti-war activist Cindy Sheehan's vigil outside President Bush's ranch in Crawford Texas, organizes the protests at Walter Reed as well.

...On Aug. 19, as the anti-war protesters chanted slogans such as "George Bush kills American soldiers," Cybercast News Service observed several wounded war veterans entering and departing the gates of Walter Reed, some with prosthetic limbs. Most of the demonstrations have been held on Friday evenings, a popular time for the family members of wounded soldiers to visit the hospital.


Kevin Pannell, who was recently treated at Walter Reed and had both legs amputated after an ambush grenade attack near Baghdad in 2004, considers the presence of the anti-war protesters in front of the hospital "distasteful."

When he was a patient at the hospital, Pannell said he initially tried to ignore the anti-war activists camped out in front of Walter Reed, until witnessing something that enraged him.

"We went by there one day and I drove by and [the anti-war protesters] had a bunch of flag-draped coffins laid out on the sidewalk. That, I thought, was probably the most distasteful thing I had ever seen. Ever," Pannell, a member of the Army's First Cavalry Division, told Cybercast News Service.

You want the photos to go with this story Bukka, or have you had enough? No one on the right, Rush Limbaugh or otherwise, has the luxury of faking it like you folks and your "National Guard documents." There's a hostile left wing hate conservative media that holds us to a higher standard.

I suggest you LISTEN to Rush Limbaugh before you shut that tiny trap door of a mind you have.

And as for Mrs. Mean... DITTOS!

SusieQ said...

"The medical system here is just as good as America's, and EVERYBODY has a right to treatment, by virtue of the 1.5% payroll tax they pay. The medications, equipment and treatment protocols are the same as what I used in the U.S."

Isn't anyone here curious about how Australia is able to provide medical care for everyone on a 1.5% payroll tax when our Medicare tax is close to 3% of payroll including the part the employer pays? Medicare does not cover everyone. So, something is wrong with this picture. Australia can't be that much more efficient than us. Does it have to do in part with the age of their population compared to ours? I'm just thinking out loud.

J_G said...

Thank you, Mike and Susie for your comments.

Mike, it makes little difference to the left how many links to reliable sources and photos one may post when backing up what you are saying. They still don’t get it. Code Pink, Hanoi Jane and every other nut case out there are nothing but contemptible group of malcontents that have never grown up and find it necessary to act like discontented children instead of pitching in and helping out

Susie, Due to demographics our Medicare system is already overburdened and it won't be long before the outlays far exceed the intake of funds to support it.

Let's see, the population of Australia is 20,264,082

The United States population is 298,444,215

The Australian population is approx 6.8% of the size of the population of United States.

If you go and try to decipher the rest of the statistics you will only become more confused. The Aussie’s health care is about par with the US in many fields except for the amount of doctors per capita; the US is far and away the world leader in doctors per capita. The expenditures by the US government on health (whatever that means) are 18.5% of total government expenditures. The Aussie’s spend 17.7% of total government expenditures on health. All those stats are pretty confusing and I’m not sure they really mean anything.

I do know that I say my employer should pay me the money that they now pay me in benefits outright so I may go and purchase a healthcare plan that best fits my needs. I don’t have any children so I should be able to take that same money that is paid to me now in benefits and get a good plan and use the rest of the money to buy and even bigger and better gas guzzling, carbon dioxide emitting pickup truck. People with children will have to make a choice, buy a big ass pickup truck like mine or insure the children. If employers would disconnect benefits from the employment package the rates for insurance would go down and everyone would be able to afford healthcare with only very minimal interference from the government thereby reducing the size of government and reducing the need for outlandish taxes thereby making healthcare better for everyone that works for a living.

If you are a freeloader and refuse to work then you will have to deal with the government to get your healthcare (paying back money received is also an option with that) and not every freeloader cares about having healthcare anyway.

Again so there is no misunderstanding, if you are unable to take care of yourself because of a physical or mental deficiency then no problem, we got you covered I don't know anyone that would disagree with that. It is the right of every American to choose what is best for them and their family and not have a government employee do it for them.

I know someone will say “oh, not everyone is responsible enough to use the money from the money they get from the employer to buy health insurance”. Then they stay on the same cookie cutter plan they already have and that person has to deal with either HMO’s or some government bureaucrat and they still leave me and the millions of people like me that are responsible the heck alone. Problem solved!

SusieQ said...

Jenni, federal employees can no longer opt out of paying into the social security system. That ended in 1983 according to my daughter who works for the SSA.

Also, aren't health care expenditures usually expressed as a percent of GDP rather than a percent of government expenditures? Am I wrong?

If you are self-employed with a family and have to pay for all your health insurance yourself it can cost you well over $1000 a month. That is a ton of money. Health insurance for just my husband and me will cost $13,500 in 2007. My husband's company will pay 64% of it. We will pay the rest. We don't mind paying the difference, because we can afford it. But what about the self-employed, with a young family, who are struggling to make ends meet and have to pay for all their health insurance?

Mrs. Green, I believe the Federal Employee Health Benefit Program is best described as a consumer driven system in which you have insurance carriers competing for the consumer's insurance dollar. I don't think socialized medicine is the appropriate term for this program. If I am not mistaken, the government controls the health care industry in socialized medicine.

Mrs. Green said...

The United States, with all its wealth, technology, and brain trust has one of the world's worst infant mortality rates. In fact, it's lower than third-world Cuba's. There's no exuse for it. None.

An estimated 2 million babies die within their first 24 hours each year worldwide and the United States has the second worst newborn mortality rate in the developed world.

American babies are three times more likely to die in their first month as children born in Japan, and newborn mortality is 2.5 times higher in the United States than in Finland, Iceland or Norway, Save the Children researchers found.

Only Latvia, with six deaths per 1,000 live births, has a higher death rate for newborns than the United States, which is tied near the bottom of industrialized nations with Hungary, Malta, Poland and Slovakia with five deaths per 1,000 births.

"The United States has more neonatologists and neonatal intensive care beds per person than Australia, Canada and the United Kingdom, but its newborn rate is higher than any of those countries," said the annual State of the World's Mothers report.

And to respond to susieq, re: socialized medicine, when there is a group of government employees (i.e., politicians & their families) receiving a program not offered to the rest of the population but that is PAID FOR by the rest of the population, I would term that socialism. We pay for a group of people to receive special, affordable healthcare, when other citizens go without.

How can that be defended?

Our life expectancy is lower than Canada, Australia, UK, Switzerland, Sweden, Spain, Austria Norway New Zealand, Japan, Israel, Germany, Frane, an Finland.

This doesn't tell the whole story, but our infant mortality rates and life expectancy rates are indications that we could do a better job with healthcare in this country.

If we believe we are better than any other country, those stats should be alarming.

J_G said...

No amount of statistics about other countries will ever convince me that a government take over of our healthcare sysytems would improve it at all.

They fired the Commanding officer of Walter Reed. Gates has taken charge, democrats will try to score politcal points on the backs of our soldiers again and life goes on.

J_G said...

In order to be taken seriously you need your own blog to post here.

J_G said...

Susie, The Federal Employees opt out of Social Security option was ended in 1987 for employees hired before 1983. The report I read was the total amount in a percentage that the government spends on health. It was part of the UN's WHO so those numbers are very much suspect.

Mrs. Green, one way to lower infant mortality in the US is to have expectant Mothers be responsible and to not be addicted to cocaine, heroin and alcohol and stop relying on doctors to perform miracles. If you want to hear actual stories about the women that show up in an emergency room expecting the doctor to deliver a baby while the Mother is in a coma from a drug overdose, I'll give you my friend Gina's phone number and she will proceed to tell you exactly how it is. Gina works in hospital in Philadelphia that makes Baghdad look like a party on Saturday night.

SusieQ said...

Jenni, I see that you have deleted Bukko's highly offensive comment. Good! I have some things to say to Bukko though. I want to set him/her straight on a few things. I am confident he/she will be back here to read responses to his/her comment. But most of what I have to say will have to wait till later this evening.

In the meantime, Bukko in case you are reading this, I will have to tell my husband (an old man in your estimation) that the angioplasty he received and the statin drug he is on is a waste of money not only because these have risks, but also, I gather from the tone of your comment, because my husband is an old man and not worth it.

J_G said...

Susie, The trolls are out and about. Anyone that doesn't maintain a blog of their own is not welcome here. Mrs. Green's blog is not visible but she does have one and if she gets smarty pants with me well, I'm not worried about it because although we have differing opinions we can still be civil and still share things we have in common.

I have liberal friends away from blogging and I discuss things with them. Sometimes we get huffy but it's different though when you are talking with someone on the phone or face to face.

There is a whole culture out in bloggoland that does nothing but troll blogs and say things so outrageous and extreme like the two extremist women anti Christian bigots that were working for John Edward's campaign. They were spewing such hatred it would make some of the bigots over at u no hoo's blush. That is where this medium can lead if you let it so I have imposed some standards so it doesn't become a contest to see who can spew the most bile.

Everyone should be lucky enough to live long enough and have a relationship like Susie and her husband have had.

Mrs. Green said...

Mrs. Green, one way to lower infant mortality in the US is to have expectant Mothers be responsible and to not be addicted to cocaine, heroin and alcohol and stop relying on doctors to perform miracles.--JG

Of course. But you and I know that in the real world this behavior, sadly, will continue. But it isn't the fault of the infants who are born to these irresponsible mothers, is it. Shouldn't a country that is so invested in saving the lives of unborn babies be just as concerned with the lives of the ones who are born? And how the women who bear these children behave is irrelevant to how we as a nation offer healthcare to insure that these infants survive.

If you want to hear actual stories about the women that show up in an emergency room expecting the doctor to deliver a baby while the Mother is in a coma from a drug overdose, I'll give you my friend Gina's phone number and she will proceed to tell you exactly how it is. Gina works in hospital in Philadelphia that makes Baghdad look like a party on Saturday night.--JG

I'm sure you friend has many horror stories. But what has that to do with how these infants are cared for once they are born. Yes, I'm sure these women who take drugs are irresponsible, but should the innocent babies born to them pay for their rotten choices?
Shouldn't good medical care be available to these babies regardless of how their mothers have behaved during their pregnancies?

Didn't Jesus say that whatever you do for the least of mine you do for me? Babies born to drug addicted, unemployed women surely qualify here.

J_G said...

The Doctors are only capable of so much technically Mrs. Green. If throwing money at the problem worked we wouldn't be having this dicussion. How do you make irresponsible people act responsibly? I don't know the answer to that question.

The heroics that are performed at these hospitals in the city happens everyday but they are losing ground. At Childrens Hospital, malnourished and abused infants and children are dying everyday despite the best efforts with some of most technically advanced equipment and procedures. That's why I say you can't comapare infant mortality rates with other countries because they have smaller populations and less irresponsible behavior.

There isn't anyone denied a chance if they can get them to the hospital where they keep social workers so busy they can't keep up with the demand. What is going on is far beyond the reach of the doctors, nurses and other healthcare professionals because they are dealing with damage that starts way before a mother with a crack addicted baby walks through the doors of the emrgency room. It is a sad state of affairs.

It's not just the healtcare either the education and the other support systems of family and faith have almost completely collapsed adding to the problem. Infant mortality is only one of the symptoms of the societal breakdown that is going on in the inner cities and it no longer limited to the inner city either.

Just when you think the systems are overloaded then you find out 12 million illegal aliens or more have been flooding across the borders and since they don't bring any healthcare insurance with them we have to pick up the tab and the already overwhelmed emrgency rooms are brought to a near standstill because they are being used for doctor office visits. Sometimes I feel an agreement with an old friend that I used to work with, he would say,"if someone were to plan the destruction of this nation this is exactly how they'd do it"

SusieQ said...

Troll or no troll, I am not done with Captain Bukko-roo. He (I will assume it is a he) made statements that are not only misleading, but in some cases not true. For the benefit of your readers who lean to the left or are fence sitters and might be persuaded by his statements, his misinformation needs to be exposed. That is the problem with blogs. They can abound with misinformation that gets repeated again and again until it sounds like the truth. This is going to have to wait till tomorrow though.

Just a word or two to Mrs. Green. I share your concerns for the welfare of infants and children who live in poverty. But we have a good government program called WIC that goes a long way toward answering that need. It provides food, nutrition counseling, and access to health services to low income women, infants and children.

About our infant mortality rate in the United States: my understanding is that the infant mortality rate comparison of countries is somewhat skewed. The United States counts as live births infants which some other countries count as stillborns. It makes it look like our infant mortality rate is worse than it really is. Most infants who die do so within the first 24 hours of birth. This is due to excessively low birth weights and birth defects.

There is a significant difference in the mortality rate of infants born to black women as opposed to infants born to white women. There are multiple reasons for this difference including poverty, culture, and lack of adequate health care. But even when these factors do not play a role, there remains a difference between the two groups with white women having the edge. The experts do not seem to have an answer yet as to why.

mariestwocents said...

Dang it! I alway's miss the good stuff before it get's deleted.

It's so hard to find out what you guys are talking about with one paragraph sticking out there talking to someone else that isnt there anymore lol.

But I totally understand, I am dumping people in the trash left and right lately.

For a while these wackos are quiet, then out of no where they seem to come in droves!


J_G said...

Marie, It was just another one of those libs that faked a name, tried to sound like they were an adult but then they went on a "purple thingy" rant and insulted my friend Susie with their thoughtless remarks. As is the usual they blamed all of their own failings, all of their own inadequacies on a radio talk show host, same old same.