Thursday, March 08, 2007

Gathering of Eagles

For more information and discussion go to
Marie's Two Cents

Please make plans to be in Washinton DC on March 17th this is much more important than "Green Beer". Yea, you know who I'm talking too!


TrekMedic251 said...

Cross-posting this as I type it!


J_G said...

Thanks Trek, I didn't want to steal Marie's thunder because she put a lot of time in effort into her post. I'm posting just as a reminder.

My ancestors were as Irish as Irish can be but Faith and begorrah I hates "Green Beer"! I betcha Mrs. O'Green knows what I'm talkin about.

The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

Every patriotic blogger worth his pint should promote this.

I won't be in DC, but there is a local even tomorrow by moveamericafoward that I will try to attend.

Mrs. O'Green said...

My cousin was a Marine who served in Viet Nam, and I wrote a short story about a neighbor I grew up with who went to Viet Nam, and came home only to be shot in the head in a terrible mix-up I can't go into here.

I'll be recovering from surgery which I'm having on the 12th, so I can't make it.

But I will be well enough, I'm sure, on the 17th to lift a pint and say "Up the Republic!"

My favorite Irish author: Flann O'Brien, whose real name was Myles na gCopaleen , which is Irish for Myles of the little horses. Neat, eh. I understand a movie is being made of "The Third Policeman." Hilarious. Also, the "Dalky Archive" is a favorite, too. In it is a character named DeSelby who can't distinguish between men and women, so he refers to his mother as "that fine old gentleman." I urge you to read O'Brien, (he also used the name Brian O'Nolan). One of Ireland's best. And Ireland has produced legions of incredible writers. Contemporary writers I'm reading now: Edna O'Brian and John Banville.

Brendan Behan (Irish: Breandán Ó Beacháin) was another great writer--"Borstal Boy" and of whom the Irish Times wrote in his obit:

"He was too young to die, but too drunk to live."

His last words to the nuns standing over his bed "God bless you, may your sons all be Bishops."

I love the Irish.

J_G said...

Well, living where you do Mrs. O'Green I have no doubt you know quite o bit about me ancestors. My grandfather's grandfather came to Philadelphia with his family during the potato famine about 1847 as best as I can tell. Once here they established themselves in all sorts of occupations and when the civil war broke out he joined the army and ended up in the 116th Pennsylvania, a regiment of the Irish Brigade. I suppose that's where I gets me ornery fightin nature from.

Actually if you look at the Irish flag you have the Green (Catholics) and Orange (Protestants) and a white stripe in the middle that represents people like me that are both Green and Orange. That's how I got me ornery fightin nature:-)

I've tried to understand Gaelic (with not much luck) and I've read quite a bit of of Irish poetry, Yeats, Joyce and Seamus Heany.

I had some old stories stored away around here somewhere my Father's mother left me that are written in Gaelic. They probably tell where the Leprechaun's gold is hidden with my luck.

I hope everything goes well for your surgery Mrs. Green. I'll include you in my prayers. Please have a pint on me I won't be lifting one though, they revoked me drinkin license many years ago because of me ornery fightin nature.

I'll be going to Washington DC and hope I don't get into any trouble. I can still fit into my uniform and one of the people going with me said I should wear it but I'm not going to. I'm just going to wear my rank pin and maybe my watch cap that has a Navy patch on it but I am going to everything I can to be well behaved.

mariestwocents said...

Thank's Jenn,

You are going on the link list too :-)

I wish I could catch up with the Caravan, but they are going down through Texas and I have a clean shot from here to D.C., with the exception of a few highway changes and turns and whatnot.

Mrs. O'Green said...

Marie and Jenn,

Happy Trails and please report on what happened.

JG, this past Tuesday in the NYTimes, Science Section, there was an indepth article about how the English and the Irish share more DNA than was known. You may not be so divided with your green and orange genes afterall!

Britain and Ireland are so thoroughly divided in their histories that there is no single word to refer to the inhabitants of both islands. Historians teach that they are mostly descended from different peoples: the Irish from the Celts and the English from the Anglo-Saxons who invaded from northern Europe and drove the Celts to the country’s western and northern fringes.

But geneticists who have tested DNA throughout the British Isles are edging toward a different conclusion. Many are struck by the overall genetic similarities, leading some to claim that both Britain and Ireland have been inhabited for thousands of years by a single people that have remained in the majority, with only minor additions from later invaders like Celts, Romans, Angles, Saxons, Vikings and Normans. The implication that the Irish, English, Scottish and Welsh have a great deal in common with each other, at least from the geneticist’s point of view, seems likely to please no one. The genetic evidence is still under development, however, and because only very rough dates can be derived from it, it is hard to weave evidence from DNA, archaeology, history and linguistics into a coherent picture of British and Irish origins.

That has not stopped the attempt. Stephen Oppenheimer, a medical geneticist at the University of Oxford, says the historians’ account is wrong in almost every detail. In Dr. Oppenheimer’s reconstruction of events, the principal ancestors of today’s British and Irish populations arrived from Spain about 16,000 years ago, speaking a language related to Basque.

The British Isles were unpopulated then, wiped clean of people by glaciers that had smothered northern Europe for about 4,000 years and forced the former inhabitants into southern refuges in Spain and Italy. When the climate warmed and the glaciers retreated, people moved back north. The new arrivals in the British Isles would have found an empty territory, which they could have reached just by walking along the Atlantic coastline, since the English Channel and the Irish Sea were still land.

This new population, who lived by hunting and gathering, survived a sharp cold spell called the Younger Dryas that lasted from 12,300 to 11,000 years ago. Much later, some 6,000 years ago, agriculture finally reached the British Isles from its birthplace in the Near East. Agriculture may have been introduced by people speaking Celtic, in Dr. Oppenheimer’s view. Although the Celtic immigrants may have been few in number, they spread their farming techniques and their language throughout Ireland and the western coast of Britain. Later immigrants arrived from northern Europe had more influence on the eastern and southern coasts. They too spread their language, a branch of German, but these invaders’ numbers were also small compared with the local population.

In all, about three-quarters of the ancestors of today’s British and Irish populations arrived between 15,000 and 7,500 years ago, when rising sea levels split Britain and Ireland from the Continent and from each other, Dr. Oppenheimer calculates in a new book, “The Origins of the British: A Genetic Detective Story” (Carroll & Graf, 2006).

Ireland received the fewest of the subsequent invaders; their DNA makes up about 12 percent of the Irish gene pool, Dr. Oppenheimer estimates. DNA from invaders accounts for 20 percent of the gene pool in Wales, 30 percent in Scotland, and about a third in eastern and southern England.

But no single group of invaders is responsible for more than 5 percent of the current gene pool, Dr. Oppenheimer says on the basis of genetic data. He cites figures from the archaeologist Heinrich Haerke that the Anglo-Saxon invasions that began in the fourth century A.D. added about 250,000 people to a British population of one to two million, an estimate that Dr. Oppenheimer notes is larger than his but considerably less than the substantial replacement of the English population assumed by others. The Norman invasion of 1066 brought not many more than 10,000 people, according to Dr. Haerke.

I'd be happy to post the rest of the article. It's long, and I'm guessing that you don't subscribe online to the NYTimes. ;-)

I do love the Tuesday "Science Times" section, and I diligently do the crossword every day.

J_G said...

Thanks for the information Mrs. Green. I can usually read whatever paper I choose because of my job. Just about every major east coast newspaper shows up there on a daily basis. I prefer the Wall Street Journal and if I'm lucky someone will leave an Investor's Business Daily a couple times a week. I read the science section of the NYT on occasion depending on the article, the technology page is in that section too and that is pretty good. I'll read the front page to see what is going to be the lead stories on the evening news, I'll even read an article or two that catches my interest and as long as I put it down before I get to the editorial/slander/fantasy page I'm OK.

There is Scottish blood on my Mother's side (Protestant) and there is speculation too that the origins of my Father's side name came from the Spanish sailors that made it ashore to Ireland when their ships sank off of the coast during the British pursuit of the Spanish fleet after the the Battle of Gravelines when Sir Francis Drake defeated the Spanish Armada in 1588. It is very interesting history indeed to me.

I hope to be able to meet up with Marie in DC. There will be a lot of people there and there will be a lot of confusion too. I know how these big functions work. I have to put some logistics together but I'll be there and we'll be talking about you too;-)

Mike's America said...

Jennifer: Check with Always on Watch, Skye at Midnight Blue, Grizzly Mama and City Troll.

I think they are all going to be there and there are some activities planned for bloggers too.

I wish I could be there. I miss good olde fashioned political action in the streets.

J_G said...

Thanks for the heads up Mike. It's about a 2.5 hour drive for me to get to DC or I can take the train too. I'll have to see what's going to work out the best.

The WordSmith from Nantucket said...


I hope my e-mail got through to you; I took a wild stab in the dark, as to which was your address from one of Marie's old email sendouts. It'll put you in touch with the other bloggers Mike mentioned.

Mrs. Green, I hope you do make a speedy recovery.

Can anyone tell me why in Firefox, the word verification letters don't appear for me? I have to open up IE in order to post on some blogs.

MonicaR said...

Oh girl - you're in East Fallowfield?? That's the area where Troll and I are looking to buy. We're right outside of Philly right now.

I hope that we can all meet up. We'll be there on the 17th. God bless America and God bless our troops and veterans.

J_G said...

Thanks Word, I emailed back to you. This is going to take some coordination I can see.

I went to the blogger group help page to report the WEord Verification Problem
Blooger Help Grope They are overwhelmed with requests for fixes. Blogger was not prepared for all the problems but I think they are getting things straightend out one problem at a time.

Yep Monicar, I'm out here just a tad shy of Parkesburg. It's nice and I have really good neighbors. Cutting the grass somtimes gets tedious though, I have almost 2 achers :-0 to cut. I need a bigger carbon emitting tractor so I can get done faster while leaving a bigger carbon footprint. I think I'm going to go into the business of selling carbon credits, you know, I sel a carbon credit to some greenie and then I won't cut my lawn that week and they pay me 200 bucks then they won't feel guilty about cutting their own lawn. I just came up with that fresh new scam uh, I mean idea today:-) Actually that scam is algore's idea and I'm going to make some money on it too so I can buy a bigger tractor!

Anyway, I'll try and hook up with you and Skye down in DC on the 17th. I'm going to make sure I find Marie first though and then we'll find everyone else. I haven't been to DC in a few years but I can still find my way around. Word sent me some email addresses so I'll be in touch.

Tom said...

There are going to be a lot of people in DC to counter the moonbats on Mar 17, I think. I'll be with the Freepers myself.

If you're in the area on Friday Mar 16 please consider coming to Walter Reed. Every Friday evening we gather outside the main entrance for a pro-troops rally. On the 16th Melanie Morgan's caravan will be stopping by as well. If you'd like more info send an email to me at

Hope to see you there!

The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

Thanks Word, I emailed back to you.

Are you sure about that?!

Thanks for checking on the problems. "Blogger Help Grope"?....Sounds kinda kinky. No wonder they are overwhelmed with problems, and those seeking relief.

Anonymous said...

re: the word verification prob. If you just type in some letters & send, a real word verifacation will come up. I'd advise copying your comment just in case though.

Bathroom Hippo said...

Wish I could...

But this eagle's gonna be on vacation.

Hey Romney's ahead!

J_G said...

B-Hip you're alive! I heard some street crocs had gotten you. Yea, this is something that needs to be done. At some point you just have answer back to the whinning of maggots.

Mitt is right in there. It ought to be interesting to see who is going against Clinton.

Yozhuk said...

Maybe you can call it the Gathering of Nuts and invite a bunch of squirrels too!

The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

Maybe you can call it the Gathering of Nuts and invite a bunch of squirrels too!

Yup. We call 'em liberal moonbats and leftist scumbags. They'll be there, too.

SusieQ said...

Wish I could come with you guys. I'll be thinking of you back here in Illinois...and looking for you on the tele. Who knows what might break out! A rumble?

The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

re: the word verification prob. If you just type in some letters & send, a real word verifacation will come up. I'd advise copying your comment just in case though.

anon, I tried that just a moment ago on another blog. Didn't work. *sigh*

Yozhik said...

Really? Because I just call them squirrels.

--Oh, c'mon...I'm just joking around...lighten up..

The WordSmith from Nantucket said... was I....lighten up more...


Mike's America said...

God I hate that word verification thingee. Do they make put squiggly letters like "l" and "i" and "j" together on purpose to screw you up?

And what about two "v"s put together to look like "w?"

I hate it. Can't you blogger comment setup folks just delete the spam?

P.S. Hope the weather holds in DC... What was that about a possible blizzard?

J_G said...

I'm back, Verizon shut me out for a day so I couldn't do anything.

The weather is going to be lousy but I'm going to be there anyway.

Mike's America said...

Drop Skye at Midnight Blue a note. Maybe you can all meet up. Grizzly Mama, City Troll and Always on Watch are going to be hanging around too.

I'll look forward to your photos and reports and will be posting some live during the event.

P.S. I'm now at my second attempt to post this comment. Either that stupid squiggly letters thingee gets screwed up or the login.

Whoever thinks that Blogger commenting is better than Haloscan is just plain WRONG!

P.P.S. THIRD attempt now....

J_G said...

It's not just you Mike. I have found that if I am logged in at blogger and then go do my comments on the blogger comments I have less trouble. If I do a comment and then log in at that time then I find it takes two or three tries to leave the comment even here on my own blog. I got the haloscan and my firewall to play nice now.

City Troll said...

Jenn Glad to see other bloggers will be there with us. Bad wheather or good we will be there...

patterns of ink said...

I wish I could go. I'll look for it on Fox--probably the only network that will cover it. I hope I'm wrong, and I hope they don't give equal time to the "anti" groups.

L>T said...

Happy St. Patricks Day j_g! :)

Yozhik said...

I took off my word verification a few weeks ago for these very reasons. I haven't received any spam yet, but then again, my blog is pretty obscure.

J_G said...

Thanks L>T, it was a very cold St. Pattie's day indeed. I hope yours was much warmer.

Spam, spam, spam I hates spam. I'll wait and see if blogger gets it fixed for just a while longer and I am considering going to haloscan.